Tuesday, April 30, 2019

TheList 4983

The List 4983 TGB

To All,
I hope that you are all having a great weekend.  I am always looking for new sources of information mostly history for the List. A great source these last few years has been Admiral Taylor and his COMMANDO HUNT and ROLLING THUNDER REMEMBERED series. Also Ed's Remembered Sky and others like "This Day in Aviation History" brought to you by the Daedalians Airpower Blog Update. To subscribe to this weekly email, go to https://daedalians.org/airpower-blog/. Thomas W. Smith wrote the This week in Military History series.  I have tried to contact him again to see if he has updated it but have had no success.
. If you know of a site that provides such information let me know.
Thanks to Ed.
His Remembered Sky is a treasure of items to read and enjoy. Many of them have been in the list. This new series is great.
Testimony of Pilot - A new series for Remembered Sky. 6 CAG 5
And like no other sculpture in the history of art,  the dead engine and dead airframe come to life at the touch of a human hand,  and join their life with the pilot's own. When you believe in something as true as the sky you're bound to find a few friends.
Richard Bach
The intent here is to recall good aviation stories and get people to read and appreciate what flying – particularly in fighter types – is all about.
In the book about Delta Force, the author Sergeant Major Eric Haney related the story of a Delta guy who hated the airborne stuff.  Haney asked him "hey you're a great soldier, do great anywhere, so why stay where you have to jump out of airplanes?" His reply "I just like to be around the kinda guy who does that stuff!"
5 Testimony of Pilot: Chapter One – Of Dragons and Ghosts
With the four previous articles this concludes the first chapter of a new series for Remembered SkyTestimony of Pilot is intended as anthology of TINS, memorable quotes, and story-telling art.
Dedicated to Max – Navy flyer, Champ, great husband/father/grandfather, unforgettable friend, and
the best story teller ever

4 Testimony of Pilot: Sightings – American Dragons


3Testimony of Pilot: "I Am a Dragon, America the Beautiful Like You Will Never Know"


2 Testimony of Pilot: "I'll Remember"


1 Testimony of Pilot: Of the Telling of TINS and the Avoidance of Lawyers





Here is an interesting exchange that revealed some new sources for history and an interesting snot from Micro on the Iranian F-14s Read from the bottom up


From Micro


I looked up F-14's on that archived site and clicked on the Iranian F-14's.  It appears that the information in the note at the bottom was taken from a questionable interview with one Iranian many years ago and published by an author (forgotten his name) as if it was gospel.  The claim was that all Iranian F-14 kills in their war with Iraq were with Phoenix (AIM-54) missiles.  I SERIOUSLY doubt that.  They may have wanted Iraq to worry about Phoenix and its long range so they made that claim, but I doubt they could get them to work.  On the other hand, they had Sparrow (AIM-7) missiles on their F-4's, so they were familiar with those.
First, we delivered those F-14's with NO ECCM capability.  During the Iran Hostage crisis while the U.S. was planning some kind of military intervention (before Desert One), and I was head of F-14 Flight Test at the Pacific Missile Test Center, we loaded the Iranian software in an F-14 and ran it against U.S. jammers in a range of scenarios, while carrying the exact version of the Phoenix that Iran had (all fully instrumented for data analysis).  I can assure you that the simplest jammer makes that radar system USELESS, and there is no way you could find the real target among the hundreds of false ones (or the 24 that it could actually "track" at once).  The Phoenix itself was less susceptible because they were given the latest version; however, the AWG-9 radar had to have a good target throughout the flight of the missile to send guidance commands until the missile went active at ten miles from the target (coming down from 100,000 feet).  If it continually dropped track, started another, dropped track, picked up another, etc., the Phoenix would not find it.
In addition, when our contractors (Hughes Aircraft Company) left Iran after the Shah left the country, they packed in their suitcases all the "O" Rings for the Coolanol liquid coolant connections between the missiles and the missile rails (which had to be changed on every loading).  Those O Rings were not only the precise size, which could be duplicated, they were made of a material that was impervious to the liquid.  Regular O Ring material would not last one flight.  Once Coolanol was all gone, the missile would overheat on the ground or at low altitude and freeze at high altitude (I flew those test flights, too).
Iranian people did not know how to find the spare parts that they had bought and warehoused at Isfahan Air Base.  When our people left, none of the Iranians were aware of how to look up a part number and trace its location in the warehouse.  I'm sure they eventually figured it out; however, there may still be parts missing.  That's why all U.S. F-14's were completely destroyed when it was retired from service. Iran had offered millions of dollars for spare parts.
From: Don

Subject: Re: Memories and information
For many years, there was a UK website (known as "Project Get Out And Walk") run by a guy named Mike Bennett that tracked worldwide military A/C losses going back to the 1930's based on available/unclass information.  If you wanted to look up F-7U, F-14, F-4, A-4, A-7, MIG-21, B-52, Mirage F-1, F-22 aircraft, etc, etc. losses, bailouts, ejections, etc, you could access that site and usually find what you were looking for.  It wasn't perfect and had some mistakes and missing names, etc, but, it was still pretty good.
As of 3/15/18, Mike Bennett took down his website for "personal reasons".  I saw somewhere that his wife passed away in 2014 and keeping up the website may have been too difficult, perhaps.  See this link:  
However, some clever "Aviation Forum" gent archived most of the content and you can find it here:
I hope you find it helpful.
PS  I saw where one of my 1971 Topgun instructors, Dave Bjerke, had the honor of ejecting from the 1st operational fleet Tomcat. 
From Dave
In Skip Leonard's recent List, there was a reference to an out-of-print book called Air Losses in Vietnam by Chris Hobson with leads on three used copies currently for sale online through a used book service.  I found one in a shop in England and received it yesterday.  Of course, I immediately looked up Classmates and friends.  It is a treasure trove, full of information that I wish were available to everyone.  I'm going to try to contact the author and see if anything can be done about that; however, in the meantime, I thought I'd show you a small part of it that some of you have a direct interest in.
 I've attached one page I scanned that happens to have two of our USNA Classmates on it.  In the first half hour of looking through various entries, I was reminded why "civilians" should be considered combatants, as they were in every war up to Vietnam.

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