Monday, October 23, 2017

Fw: TheList 4570

The List 4570

To All
I hope you all had a great weekend.
This Day In Naval History - October 22
1846 - Miss Lavinia Fanning Watson of Philadelphia christens the
sloop-of-war Germantown, the first U.S. Navy ship sponsored by a woman.
1862: The screw frigate Wabash provides artillery support for Union infantry troops at the Battle of Pocotaligo, S.C. One of the gun crew, who was seriously injured, was Ordinary Seaman Oscar W. Farenholt, the first enlisted man in the Navy to reach flag rank. The battery from Wabash took part in artillery operations all along the South Atlantic coast.
1951 - First of seven detonations, Operation Buster-Jangle nuclear test.
1962 - President John F. Kennedy orders surface blockade (quarantine) of
Cuba to prevent Soviet offensive weapons from reaching Cuba during the
Cuban Missile Crisis
This Day In Naval History - October 23
1944: The Battle of Leyte Gulf, considered the largest naval battle of World War II, begins with the U.S. submarines attacking two elements of the Japanese armada moving towards Leyte. In the Palawan Passage, USS Darter and USS Dace sink heavy cruisers Maya and Atago. Takao is also hit, but survives. Off Manila Bay, USS Bream's torpedoes damage the heavy cruiser Aoba.
1983 - A suicide truck bomber attacks the Marine barracks at Beirut airport, Lebanon killing 241 (220 Marines, 18 Sailors, and 3 soldiers)
1983 - Operation Urgent Fury (Grenada, West Indies) begins.
Notes on The Battle of Leyte Gulf thanks to Barrett
The Battle of Leyte Gulf was not a single battle—it was a sprawling fleet engagement spread over hundreds of miles for three days.  But here's the basics:
The U.S. Third Fleet under Adm. W.F. Halsey deployed 16 fast carriers in four task groups, escorted by six battleships, 15 cruisers and 58 destroyers.
Vice Admiral Thomas Kincaid's Seventh Fleet, the amphibious force, deployed six battleships, nine cruisers, 128 DDs/Des, and 55 frigates and torpedo boats.  In addition to 18 escort carriers providing force protection, close air support, and transport service.
Halsey and Kincaid brought some 1,700 aircraft to the battle, well over 10 times the Japanese figure.
The fleet trains with oilers, supply ships, unreps, etc, were additional to the above.
In contrast, the widespread Imperial Japanese Navy sent four carriers, nine battleships, 20 cruisers, and 34 destroyers.
The result was the end of the Imperial Navy which lost 28 warships including all four carriers and three battleships.  The Americans lost three CVEs and three escorts in the famous "Battle off Samar" when Japanese BBs and CAs surprised Kincaid's "Taffy Three" task group because of Halsey's poor staff work.  While he took TF-38 north to engage Adm. Ozawa's "bait" force with four CVs, he neglected to guard San Bernardino Strait, permitting the Japanese center force to penetrate to the gulf.  But for valiant work by the "small boys" and CVE aircrews, it could have been a U.S. debacle.
More to the point for tailhookers is whether Leyte Gulf is properly considered a carrier battle.  The four flattop duels of 1942 (Coral Sea, Midway, Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz) were followed in June 1944 by the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.  In all five clashes the U.S. and Japanese navies exchanged air strikes, sinking flattops each time. 
But at Leyte it was all one-sided.  Adm. Ozawa's four carriers had very few trained aviators—many could only launch but not recover.  Since the Americans sank all four enemy CVs without receiving carrier-based attacks in response, purists hold that Leyte was not a CV engagement. 
However, my second novel posited a post-Soviet clash with the Russian Federation in the IO, so it's titled The Sixth Battle (Bantam, 1992).  I still hear from wargamers who like the scenario—a lot!
Thanks to Al
Monday Morning Humor--Thoughts and Factoids
Submitted by Don Mills:

I was just thinking.......
  • If you attempt to rob a bank you won't have any trouble with rent/food/medical bills for the next 10 years, whether or not you are successful.
  • Do twins ever realize that one of them is unplanned?
  • What if my dog only brings back my ball because he thinks I like throwing it?
  • If poison expires, is it more poisonous or is it no longer poisonous?
  • Which letter is silent in the word "Scent," the S or the C?
  • Why is the letter W, in English, called double U? Shouldn't it be called double V?
  • Maybe oxygen is slowly killing you and It just takes 75-100 years to fully work.
  • Every time you clean something, you just make something else dirty.
  • The word "swims" upside-down is still "swims".
  • Intentionally losing a game of rock, paper, scissors is just as hard as trying to win.
  • 100 years ago everyone owned a horse and only the rich had cars. Today everyone has cars and only the rich own horses.
  • Your future self is watching you right now through memories.
  • The doctors that told Stephen Hawking he had two years to live in 1953 are probably dead.
  • If you replace "W" with "T" in "What, Where and When", you get the answer to each of them.
  • Many animals probably need glasses, but nobody knows it.
  • If you rip a hole in a net, there are actually fewer holes in it than there were before.
  • If 2/2/22 falls on a Tuesday, we'll just call it "2's Day". (It does fall on a Tuesday)

Submitted by Saundra Cima:
  • I finally realized it…people are prisoners of their phones, that's why they are called cell phones.
  • Maybe if we tell people the brain is an app, they'll start using it.
  • So I just saw a donkey crossing the road.  The cool thing was he looked both ways before crossing.  What a smart ass.
  • When people say, "Stop living in the past," my thought in turn is, "But the music was so much better then!" LIKE ON REMEMBER RADIO WWW.REMEMBERRADIO.NET
  • Growing old is hard work…The mind say "yes" but the body says "what the heck are you thinking."
  • Remember when you could refer to your knees as right and left…instead of good and bad.  Ah, good times!
  • Be decisive.  Right or wrong, make a decision.  The road of life is paved with flat squirrels who couldn't make a decision.
  • If you only focus on the problem, you might miss the easy solution.
  • I wonder if common sense will ever make a comeback.

Submitted by Mark Logan:

Did you know…
  • A SHOT OF WHISKEY--In the old west a .45 cartridge for a six-gun cost 12 cents, so did a glass of whiskey. If a cowhand was low on cash he would often give the bartender a cartridge in exchange for a drink. This became known as a "shot" of whiskey.
  • THE WHOLE NINE YARDS--American fighter planes in WWII had machine guns that were fed by a belt of cartridges. The average plane held belts that were 27 feet (9 yards) long. If the pilot used up all his ammo he was said to have given it the whole nine yards.
  • BUYING THE FARM--This is synonymous with dying. During WWI soldiers were given life insurance policies worth $5,000. This was about the price of an average farm so if you died you "bought the farm" for your survivors.
  • IRON CLAD CONTRACT--This came about from the ironclad ships of the Civil War. It meant something so strong it could not be broken.
  • PASSING THE BUCK / THE BUCK STOPS HERE--Most men in the early west carried a jack knife made by the Buck knife company. When playing poker it was common to place one of these Buck knives in front of the dealer so that everyone knew who he was. When it was time for a new dealer the deck of cards and the knife were given to the new dealer. If this person didn't want to deal he would "pass the buck" to the next player. If that player accepted then "the buck stopped there".
  • RIFF RAFF--The Mississippi River was the main way of traveling from north to south. Riverboats carried passengers and freight but they were expensive so most people used rafts. Everything had the right of way over rafts which were considered cheap. The steering oar on the rafts was called a "riff" and this transposed into riff-raff, meaning low class.
  • COBWEB--The old English word for "spider" was "cob".
  • SHIP STATEROOMS--Traveling by steamboat was considered the height of comfort. Passenger cabins on the boats were not numbered. Instead they were named after states. To this day, cabins on ships are called staterooms.
  • SLEEP TIGHT--Early beds were made with a wooden frame. Ropes were tied across the frame in a criss-cross pattern. A straw mattress was then put on top of the ropes. Over time the ropes stretched, causing the bed to sag. The owner would then tighten the ropes to get a better night's sleep.
  • SHOWBOAT--These were floating theaters built on a barge that was pushed by a steamboat. These played small towns along the Mississippi River. Unlike the boat shown in the movie "Showboat" these did not have an engine. They were gaudy and attention grabbing which is why we say someone who is being the life of the party is "showboating".
  • OVER A BARREL--In the days before CPR a drowning victim would be placed face down over a barrel and the barrel would be rolled back and forth in a effort to empty the lungs of water. It was rarely effective. If you are over a barrel you are in deep trouble.
  • BARGE IN--Heavy freight was moved along the Mississippi in large barges pushed by steamboats. These were hard to control and would sometimes swing into piers or other boats. People would say they "barged in".
  • HOGWASH--Steamboats carried both people and animals. Since pigs smelled so bad they would be washed before being put on board. The mud and other filth that was washed off was considered useless "hog wash".
  • CURFEW--The word "curfew" comes from the French phrase "couvre-feu", which means "cover the fire". It was used to describe the time of blowing out all lamps and candles. It was later adopted into Middle English as "curfeu", which later became the modern "curfew". In the early American colonies homes had no real fireplaces so a fire was built in the center of the room. In order to make sure a fire did not get out of control during the night it was required that, by an agreed upon time, all fires would be covered with a clay pot called-a "curfew".
  • BARRELS OF OIL--When the first oil wells were drilled they had made no provision for storing the liquid so they used water barrels. That is why, to this day, we speak of barrels of oil rather than gallons.
  • HOT OFF THE PRESS--As the paper goes through the rotary printing press friction causes it to heat up. Therefore, if you grab the paper right off the press, it is hot. The expression means to get immediate Information.

Submitted by Colleen Grosso:

Zen Teachings…
  • Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me for the path is narrow.. In fact, just leave me alone.
  • No one is listening until you pass gas.
  • Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.
  • Never test the depth of the water with both feet.
  • If you think nobody cares whether you're alive or dead, try missing a couple of mortgage payments.
  • Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
  • Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
  • If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably well worth it.
  • If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
  • Some days you are the dog, some days you are the tree.
  • Good judgment comes from bad experience ...and most of that comes from bad judgment.
  • A closed mouth gathers no foot.
  • There are two excellent theories for arguing with women. Neither one works.
  • Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your lips are moving
  • Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it
  • We are born naked, wet and hungry, and get slapped on our rear...then things just keep getting worse.
  • Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

Submitted by John Hudson:

Who knew…
  • Did you know that drinking two glasses of Gatorade can relieve headache pain almost immediately-without the unpleasant side effects caused by traditional pain relievers?  Water works too, for headaches caused by dehydration--but Gatorade also replenishes electrolytes
  • Did you know that Colgate Toothpaste makes an excellent salve for burns? 
  • Before you head to the drugstore for a high-priced inhaler filled with mysterious chemicals, try chewing on a couple of curiously strong Altoids peppermints. They'll clear up your stuffed nose. 
  • Achy muscles from a bout of the flu? Mix 1 tablespoon horseradish in 1 cup of olive oil. Let the mixture sit for 30 minutes, then apply it as a massage oil for instant relief for aching muscles. 
  • Sore throat? Just mix 1/4 cup of vinegar with 1/4 cup of honey and take 1 tablespoon six times a day. The vinegar kills the bacteria. 
  • Cure urinary tract infections with Alka-Seltzer. Just dissolve two tablets in a glass of water and drink it at the onset of the symptoms. Alka-Seltzer begins eliminating urinary tract infections almost instantly-even though the product was never advertised for this use. 
  • Honey remedy for skin blemishes...Cover the blemish with a dab of honey and place a Band-Aid over it. Honey kills the bacteria, keeps the skin sterile, and speeds healing. Works overnight. 
  • Listerine therapy for toenail fungus: Get rid of unsightly toenail fungus by soaking your toes in Listerine Mouthwash. The powerful antiseptic leaves your toenails looking healthy again. 
  • Easy eyeglass protection...To prevent the screws in eyeglasses from loosening, apply a small drop of Maybelline Crystal Clear Nail Polish to the threads of the screws before tightening them. 
  • Cleaning liquid that doubles as bug killer...If menacing bees, wasps, hornets, or yellow jackets get in your home and you can't find the insecticide, try a spray of Formula 409…Insects drop to the ground instantly. 
  • Smart splinter remover: Just pour a drop of Elmer's Glue all over the splinter, let dry, and peel the dried glue off the skin. The splinter sticks to the dried glue. 
  • Hunt's Tomato Paste boil cure...Cover the boil with Hunt's Tomato Paste as a compress. The acids from the tomatoes soothe the pain and bring the boil to a head. 
  • Balm for broken blisters...To disinfect a broken blister, dab on a few drops of Listerine, a powerful antiseptic. 
  • Vinegar to heal bruises...Soak a cotton ball in white vinegar and apply it to the bruise for 1 hour. The vinegar reduces the blueness and speeds up the healing process.. 
  • Quaker Oats for fast pain's not for breakfast anymore! Mix 2 cups of Quaker Oats and 1 cup of water in a bowl and warm in the microwave for 1 minute, cool slightly, and apply the mixture to your hands for soothing relief from arthritis pain.

Have a great week,
Thanks to Dutch
More on the  PBS Viet Nam Documentary
Thanks to Marathon -
Documentary on the Vietnam War: A Great Lie

 by Terry Garlock

As the Ken Burns and Lynn Novick documentary on the Vietnam War came to a close at the end of the 10thepisode, over 18 hours, anti-war protestors with greying hair must be celebrating since the film thoroughly vindicated their arguments – a manipulation many of us predicted before the opening of the first episode. Great lies have an element of truth, and while Burns tells a great story in film, that does not make his stories true.

The documentary misleads viewers from the beginning with two false premises, first that Ho Chi Minh and his North Vietnamese were nationalists dedicated to reunify North and South Vietnam. In fact, the North was determined to impose Communist rule by force on South Vietnam. We were there to stop the spread of Communism in southeast Asia. The difference is vast.

America's part in the war was certainly not immoral or misguided as Burns portrayed, and the war was not unwinnable from the getgo, the second false premise the film pushed repeatedly from different angles. Americans were depicted as dubious, confused, incompetent and fully expecting to fail, while our enemy was presented as united, energetic, enthusiastic, pitching together as a well-oiled machine, fueled apparently by the virtue of their mission. The irony is comical, even if lost on most viewers who won't notice the film used old Communist propaganda footage to depict happy North Vietnamese working eagerly as a team.

Statistics on enemy desertion during the war would put the lie to the film's selective virtue and villain, but that would require viewers to think instead of being swept along by feelings. The dry truth – though it does not make good film - is America's purpose was not a war of conquest at all, but to block the invading Communists and defend South Vietnam against their attacks. That meant finding and killing the invading enemy whenever their concealed positions were revealed.

Our soldiers' lament that they fought hard to take a hill, took heavy losses then abandoned the hill, leaves an appearance of the absurd on the surface. But among combat vets - who know more than couch critics - it should raise questions far different than a feeling we should have stayed to defend the top of that hill in the middle of nowhere. Maybe the tactic of ordering an attack on a dug-in enemy holding the high ground advantage was a lousy command decision, a poor way to spend American lives, but the flip side is America was not in a real estate war. Securing every patch of ground we took away from the enemy by force would have required millions more troops and would have made little sense, but I understand the sense of futility. We were in a different kind of fight, to stop an invading enemy by attacking and killing them wherever their positions were revealed.

Like naïve children, the film crew shows horrific scenes from Vietnam, disturbing to any viewer with a shred of humanity. Burns and Novick should know better. As I tell students, during the Vietnam War we had three TV channels, ABC, CBS and NBC, and news came on one hour a day, at dinner time, delivering scenes from Vietnam of blood-spattered wounded and dead, enemy and allies, adults and children. And so, to the viewing public back then, just as to the Burns film crew now, the Vietnam War seemed like a foul and nasty business in which Americans should not be involved.

What the children don't realize is every war is an ugly, foul, unfair, unforgiving killing contest full of chaos, imperfection and collateral damage. It has always been so. If you want to find glory in war, the only place you will find it is in a Hollywood movie.

Burns might be surprised to know that Gen. Eisenhower in WWII, the good war, openly wept as he walked through a European battlefield, requiring great care to avoid stepping on body parts. War is a bitch, like a different planet, and reporting in WWII was heavily censored to prevent panic at home.

This might be a good place to pause to tell you a few lessons America should have learned from the war, but did not.

Lesson 1: don't get involved in a war unless committed to the overwhelming force to win.

Lesson 2: combat should not be viewed through the lens of home life, because it is a different world, with unfamiliar values and mores requiring tough standards and lethal measures. The public at home knows nothing about life in that world and has no business watching idiotic talking heads on TV and second-guessing from the comfort and safety of their living room. We should stay out of wars until we can't, and when forced to fight we should squash our enemy like a bug then tell the public about it when the awful task is done.

That is why - if I were king - we would apply Lesson 3: journalists in a war zone could write anything they wish, but no photos and no videos until after the war is done. Citizens with sufficient brains and motivation could read and be informed, but the masses would have to wait until after the conflict closed to have their feelings manipulated by powerful images.

There certainly were villains in the Vietnam War, but a bit different than the film portrays. The chief villains were Communist invaders intent on conquest, feeding to naïve anti-war types like Burns and his predecessors the cover story of being nationalists, like a Vietnamese version of George Washington's patriots. Without Communist aggression there would have been no war. Ho Chi Minh's mission of conquest made America's stand to defend South Vietnam a noble cause, even though our own villains screwed it up badly as we fought to stop the Commies.

The Communists were the chief villains also for systematically committing countless atrocities against non-combatants, ignored by the US media. Sig Bloom lives in Jonesboro, GA. As a helicopter pilot he flew a news crew to a place near the Ho Chi Minh Trail during the Cambodian incursion in 1970; they said they were eager to see the atrocity he vaguely mentioned. When they arrived, they saw American medics treating Cambodians in leg irons, starved to skin and bones on the brink of death, having been slaves to the North Vietnamese humping ammo on the trail. The reporters were not interested since it was not an American atrocity, so Sig took off, leaving them behind to fend for themselves.

LBJ and McNamara, among others, were breathtakingly stupid in how they micromanaged the war with insane rules that withheld overwhelming force and prevented victory, fully to blame for prolonging the war as it ate American – and Asian - casualties. US Generals polished their next star instead of resigning in protest about how the stupidity from the White House was spending American lives as if they were cheap. The American anti-war movement gave aid and comfort to an enemy engaged in killing America's sons. The news media twisted the truth, like showing their outrage at the execution in the streets of Saigon during Tet of 1968, but never seeming to care he had just been caught murdering a Saigon police officer, his wife and 6 children. After so much focus on that one execution, the media seemed uninterested in the Communists' execution of thousands of civilians in one battle: doctors, nurses, teachers, business owners, government officials and other "enemies of the people," hidden in mass graves in the battle of Hue in 1968. The media also didn't raise too much fuss about genocide next door in Cambodia, I suppose because America had finally disentangled from Vietnam, a goal far more important to the media than truthful reporting. Can you say "hypocrisy?"

But Burns, squinting ever so tightly to keep his eye on the anti-war narrative, wouldn't know that. Here's something else he does not know, and can never truly appreciate.

Like every other war, as we came home from combat we had no idea how much we had been changed. We didn't know it would be hard to re-connect, even with those we loved, or the isolation many of us would learn to feel from a public that was and remains oblivious to the brutalities of life we had learned.

Every one of us who were in combat carries with us memories hidden in our secret box deep down inside. When bad things happened, like a buddy whose guts were suddenly scattered in the bushes when a booby trap detonated and he screamed for his Mom while he died, or a fellow helicopter pilot who burned alive in the wreckage of his crashed aircraft, a soldier pushed that anguish down deep into his secret box and closed the lid tight so he could go on to do what he must do. For the rest of his life, he carries his secret box deep inside, and no matter how many years pass, when he opens his box the heartbreak he felt at the time is still there, fresh as yesterday when unwrapped.

When asked about things that only we know are hidden away deep inside, some of us will open our box to answer, many won't, because they can't find the right words, they know others will never understand, and they don't want to cry in front of people, as often happens when we raise the lid to our box.

Congress cut off funding to South Vietnam in 1974, breaking the promise America made to our allies – our friends - when we withdrew in 1973, and Congress refused to intervene when North Vietnam took South Vietnam by force in 1975, thereby violating America's pledge to come to their aid if the Communists violated their pledge not to attack. It broke our heart that America did not keep its word, and that our country abandoned our friends to a horrible fate of executions, re-education camps, being driven from their homes and jobs, and becoming permanent 2nd class citizens in their own country, living under the thumb of Communist control. In this matter of honor, we were better than that, our country was better than that, so we still carry that heartbreak and shame in our secret bo

Now comes the Ken Burns film story, as if told by naïve children, mixing a wrapper of reality around half-truths, distortions, and carefully selected interviewees that feed his leftist narrative that the North Vietnamese were the good guys, justifiably committed to their cause while America bumbled and stumbled in a well-intended but completely misguided horrible mistake.

Those of us who answered our country's call to do our duty in a tough place like Vietnam had to become accustomed to the overt and covert insults from fellow citizens who organized their protests and convinced themselves we had done dishonorable things when, in fact, we were doing the hardest things we have ever done while serving a purpose larger than ourselves. Not even Ken Burns and his masterful film skills can take from us pride in our service.

Since the public doesn't have the knowledge to recognize the film's omissions and distortions, viewers will be swept along by powerful scenes, mood music and interviewees they won't know were cherry-picked for the war's turning them into tormented victims. For hordes of viewers who have no idea they are being fed the big lie, the Burns film will become the standard by which the Vietnam War will be judged. Most viewers won't know and won't see in the film that the vast majority of us who fought in Vietnam are still proud of our service and would do it again, and they won't know their trust in Burns' film is one more disappointment we will cram into our box and close the lid tight.
Terry Garlock lives in Peachtree City, GA. His columns, written when the mood moves him, run in The Citizen, a local Fayette County GA paper, because they publish his columns the way he writes them, unlike major papers like the Atlanta Journal Constitution, which edits, composes their own desired title and limits word length. Readers may reach Terry at
With our thanks to THE Bear at
October 23, 2017  Bear Taylor
RIPPLE SALVO… #596… President Johnson was frequently asked, "What is it like to be President?" His response: "Splendid misery." Monday 23 October 1967 was such a day. 50,000 marchers were still in town; 208 were still holding out at the Pentagon: the Israelis were ready to get even for the loss of a destroyer to Egyptian Styxx missiles; the Soviets were building aircraft carriers; race issues abound unabated; the nation and the Congress were reviewing the Vietnam options and slipping away from support for the policies of LBJ and Secretary McNamara; and the office was host to a steady stream of leaders of both the Executive and Legislative branches. "Splendid misery, in an office where there are 'no easy days!'"… (Humble Host adds: Ditto for the CO of an aircraft carrier!)… but first…

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