Saturday, August 12, 2017

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The List 4522


To All,
I hope your weekend is going well. Some more great history at the end this time on early Navy efforts in Vietnam.
Regards,
Skip
 
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Thanks,
skip
 
Today in History August 12
30 BC
Cleopatra VII, Queen of Egypt, commits suicide.
1099
At the Battle of Ascalon 1,000 Crusaders, led by Godfrey of Bouillon, route an Egyptian relief column heading for Jerusalem, which had already fallen to the Crusaders.
1687
At the Battle of Mohacs, Hungary, Charles of Lorraine defeats the Turks.
1762
The British capture Cuba from Spain after a two month siege.
1791
Black slaves on the island of Santo Domingo rise up against their white masters.
1812
British commander the Duke of Wellington occupies Madrid, Spain, forcing out Joseph Bonaparte.
1863
Confederate raider William Quantrill leads a massacre of 150 men and boys in Lawrence, Kansas.
1864
After a week of heavy raiding, the Confederate cruiser Tallahassee claims six Union ships captured.
1896
Gold is discovered near Dawson City, Yukon Territory, Canada. After word reaches the United States in June of 1897, thousands of Americans head to the Klondike to seek their fortunes.
1898
The Spanish American War officially ends after three months and 22 days of hostilities.
1908
Henry Ford's first Model T rolls off the assembly line.
1922
The home of Frederick Douglass in Washington, D.C. is dedicated as a memorial.
1935
President Franklin Roosevelt signs the Social Security Bill.
1941
French Marshal Henri Philippe Petain announces full French collaboration with Nazi Germany.
1961
The erection of the Berlin Wall begins, preventing access between East and West Germany.
1969
American installations at Quan-Loi, Vietnam, come under Viet Cong attack.
1972
As U.S. troops leave Vietnam, B-52's make their largest strike of the war.
1977
Steven Biko, leader of the black consciousness movement in South Africa, is arrested.
1977
Space shuttle Enterprise makes its first free flight and landing.
1978
Tel al-Zaatar massacre at Palestinian refuge camp during Lebanese Civil War.
1979
Massive book burnings by press censors begin in Iran.
1981
Computer giant IBM introduces its first personal computer.
1985
Highest in-flight death toll as 520 die when  Japan Airlines Flight 123  crashes into Mount Takamagahara.
1992
The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is concluded between the United States, Canada and Mexico, creating the world's wealthiest trade bloc.
2000
Russian Navy submarine K-141 Kursk explodes and sinks with all hands during military exercises in the Barents Sea.
2005
An LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) sniper mortally wounds Sri Lanka's foreign minister, Lakshman Kadirgamar, at the minister's home.
2012
Summer Olympics come to a close in London.
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Thanks to Mike
In case you didn't see this! The PERFECT answer!
Corvette Owner Answer
A man named Tom Nicholson posted on his Facebook account the sports car that he had just bought and how a man approached and told him that the money used to buy this car could've fed thousands of less fortunate people. His response to this man made him famous on the internet.


READ his story as stated on Facebook below:
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guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said, "I wonder how many people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost."
I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green, Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the people who made the components that went into it, it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires, it fed people in Decatur IL. at Caterpillar who make the trucks that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership and their families.  BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't know how many people it fed.

That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
 When you buy something, you put money in people's pockets and give them dignity for their skills.  When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.

Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value.
  Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat that you never asked for.
I've decided I can't be politically correct anymore. (I never was, actually)
His answer made him famous on the internet world as it received almost half of a million shares
and more than eight hundred thousand reactions on Facebook.
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Thanks to  Dutch R.
Iranian general boasts of Quds Force killing U.S. troops in Iraq
Fighters from the Badr Brigades Shiite militia patrol at the front line, in Kessarrat, located (70 kilometers) north west of Baghdad, Iraq, Friday, June 12, 2015. Despite concerns over heightened sectarian strife, Shiite militiamen continue to pour into Iraq's Anbar ... more >
 
By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Wednesday, August 2, 2017
The deputy commander of Iran's notorious Quds Force bragged at a recent ceremony that his operatives have killed more Americans than U.S. troops have killed Iranian fighters.
Brig. Gen. Ismail Ghaani was referring to Iran's major intervention in the Iraq war to supply Shiite militias with supercharged explosives that could penetrate U.S. armored vehicles. The Pentagon has estimated the Quds Force, an arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, killed 500 Americans that way.
"Americans have suffered more losses from us then we have suffered losses from them," Gen. Ghaani said, according to an article by Admad Majidyar, director of the Iran Observed Project at the Middle East Institute.
Mr. Majidyar wrote that the boasting came at a ceremony honoring the "martyred of the defenders of shrines" — Iran's term for the militias it financed and trained in Iraq to fight the Islamic State and in Syria to support President Bashar Assad.
An Iranian opposition group has accused Iran of committing atrocities in Syria, particularly in the city of Aleppo, where thousands died under constant attacks by Syrian, Russian and Iranian forces.
"This, of course, is not only a confession but also outright bragging about how the Quds Force murdered Americans in Iraq," said Michael Rubin, a Middle East analyst at the American Enterprise Institute. "It was the Quds Force, after all, that smuggled in explosively formed, armor-penetrating projectiles into Iraq for insurgents to incorporate in improved explosive devices.
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Thanks to Red …
It's took over 14 hours to complete the pattern. 
 
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Left-Handers Day: A time to celebrate the left stuff | WTOP
 
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More great history from Samuel J. Cox
RADM, USN (Retired) Director of Naval History
50th Anniversary of Vietnam

    In the last H-gram, I discussed how one of the contributing factors in the fire aboard the USS Forrestal was a shortage of Mk-83 1,000 lbs bombs and the substitution of unstable older bombs.  The shortage was because in 1967 the U.S. Navy was conducting the most sustained bombing campaign in our history.  Jets flying from U.S. aircraft carriers on "Yankee Station" flew thousands of sorties against targets in North Vietnam.  Because of the 100th anniversary of WW1 and 75th anniversary of WW2, I have not had a chance to cover the significant developments in the naval campaign in Vietnam in 1967 (or the years prior to that.)  To help remedy that, I asked one of my historians, Dr. Richard Hulver, to put together a "catch up" piece covering the war in Vietnam, with emphasis on U.S. Navy involvement, and that is attached as H009.3.  With this background, I will endeavor to cover more about the U.S. Navy in Vietnam in the future, because there are incredible accomplishments and valor that deserve to be remembered.

Very respectfully,
Sam

Samuel J. Cox
RADM, USN (Retired)
Director of Naval History
Curator of the Navy
13 July 2017
 
MEMO: Significant US Navy Operations/Events in Vietnam to 1967
For: Director Sam Cox
Prepared by:  Dr. Richard Hulver, DAG
 
 
Focus of Aug/Sept Vietnam H-Gram could be the 50th anniversary of naval gunfire support missions/interdiction efforts of TF 77 ships in Operation Sea Dragon.  Also, this is a peak point for US carrier operations against North Vietnamese targets around Hanoi and Haiphong.  Notably, the 55th anniversary year of the Navy's efforts to develop counterinsurgency for Vietnam in 1962—SEALS, STATS, start of communist insurgency training in its service schools.
 
A theme for events from the 50th to 55th anniversary is the move from Supporting (advising, training), Posturing, and Preparing into large-scale combat operations.
 
50th Anniversary of Father Vincent Capodanno's death and MOH action.
 
 
Overview
 
U.S. began to fill the void left following the departure of French troops and advisors in April 1956.  The United States now would lead the training and advising of the South Vietnamese land and sea forces.  Only a small number of Sailors were assigned to the Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) and they were not allowed to go on operational missions with their South Vietnamese counterparts until May 1959 when the North formally initiated a conflict to overthrow Diem.
 
Navy advisors were increasingly frustrated with poor quality of Vietnamese naval leadership and poorly trained sailors.  The cultural and language barriers between the US advisors and South Vietnamese Navy proved difficult. 
 
From 1961-1963 the Vietnam Navy grew from 3,200 to 6,000 men.  It had some interdiction success, but did not have the leadership, personnel, equipment, or logistic network to stop the North Vietnamese on the scale needed. The Vietnam Navy could not effectively slow the movement of supplies from North Vietnam to Viet Cong in South Vietnam, the USN decided it needed to intervene directly.
 
First USN assistance with interdiction came in December 1961 when four USN minesweepers were stationed south of the 17th parallel.  Their radar located ships and notified the VNN so that they could intervene.  In February 1962 destroyer escorts replaced the MSOs at the 17th parallel and also in the Gulf of Thailand—"Gulf of Siam Patrol."  Both were halted in Spring/Summer 1962 because there was little evidence of their need.  NV resupply by sea skyrocketed in the years after the patrols ended. 
 
In January/February 1964, the MACV, Special Operations Group led Operation 34A was in progress.  This was a highly classified infiltration/surveillance/sabotage mission using US trained South Vietnamese commandos, CIA, and Navy assets to overthrow the North Vietnamese government.  Maddox and Turner Joy were conducting 34A Operations when the 2-4 August torpedo attacks took place in the Gulf of Tonkin, leading to the official US entrance into the Vietnam War.
 
Following Tonkin, the Navy presence on the ground in South Vietnam and in Vietnamese waters increased steadily.  Retaliatory and offensive carrier strikes become routine after a brief operational lull in late 1964.
 
16 February 1965 a North Vietnamese steel-hulled trawler was located at Vung Ro Bay in central Vietnam filled with arms and ammunition.  This was evidence that large scale resupply operations by sea to secret ports in South Vietnam were taking place and that a counter was needed.  It took the VNN 4 days to secure the area and seize the materials. Westmoreland, along with Naval Advisors from 7th Fleet revamped the USN-VNN interdiction program, USN surface ships (minesweepers, destroyers, and shore based SP-2H Neptune patrol craft) would be sent to the 17th parallel and 8 other patrol areas along the coast to locate targets and direct VNN to them.  A Naval Advisory Group coordinated between the 7th Fleet and VNN.  May 1965, US rules of engagement changed to allow US ships to engage suspect ships.
 
1966 and 1967 are filled with Blue and Brown Water Navy interdiction efforts, close shore gunfire support for land forces, and carrier strikes against targets in South and North Vietnam.  More detailed information can be found in the operational summaries and chronology below.
 
Major Operations/Events
 
2-4 August 1964:  Gulf of Tonkin Incidents—Part of Operation 34A, Surveillance and Infiltration of NV began in February 1964.
 
 
TF 115 Operation Market Time—Established March 1965 as TF 71, a large scale U.S. Navy & Coast Guard coastal interdiction campaign off the coast of SV.  Larger surface combatants acting as surveillance ships, turned into a blockade of 5,000 personnel and 126 craft.  The coastal interdiction was the largest and most successful aspect of the U.S. Navy's war in Vietnam.  Almost immediately hurt the Communists' ability to resupply its forces in the South with large boats.  Market Time was so successful that by 1967 some of the assets were used for naval gunfire support, civic action, and the patrol of large rivers.  The sea, land, and air radar of Market Time forces made it nearly impossible for large metal hulled junks to slip through the US net.  The weakness of Market Time was the inability to stop small craft that could easily break the blockade.  A key problem was that NV ships staying in international waters were off limits and could reach neutral Cambodia with impunity.  VNN Navy was relegated as a junior partner in this operation.
 
TF 116 Operation Game Warden—May 1966 started as a patrol of Long Tau River (shipping channel from Saigon to South China Sea), expanded to the whole Mekong Delta.  At its peak in 1968 it had swollen to 5 divisions, each with 20 PBRs.  It searched water traffic for contraband, checked papers of travelers, and evolved into a mobile strike force attacking Viet Cong positions and river crossings.  It was not as successful at interdiction as it was at a direct action force disrupting enemy movements, providing gunfire support, and securing major rivers for commerce.
 
TF 117 Mobile Riverine Force—An amphibious riverine strike force operating with the US Army to seek and destroy large VC formations.  By 1968 contained over 1,600 Sailors organized into four squadrons broken down into two river assault divisions each.
 
[Operation Sealords in in late 1968 combined interdiction efforts of Market Time and Game Warden.  VADM Zumwalt made an effort to place the VNN in the forefront of these operations.]
 
Operation Sea Dragon—25 October 1966-October 1968, operations designed to interdict sea lines of communications and supplies going from NV to SV, destroy land targets with gunfire support, destroy waterborne craft. TF 77 assets heavily involved in this.  US Ships hit (each with KIA), August, Dupont (DD-941)& September, Mansfield (DD-728)
 
Carrier Operations launched from Dixie and Yankee Stations [see details in chronology].
 
 
Chronology
 
16 August 1954: USN began Operation Passage to Freedom.  For 9 months, 100 USN and MSTS ships transported nearly 300,000 refugees from Haiphong to Saigon.
 
1 July 1960: 60 officers and men are assigned to Navy section of the Military Assistance and Advisory Group (MAAG).  This will expand to 500 by 1968.
1962
 
1 January 1962: U.S. Navy establishes SEAL teams. SEALS arrive at Danang in July 1962 as advisors in a pilot program.  They trained coastal force commandoes and did hydrographic surveys of the SV coast.  First SEAL combat casualty came in 19 August 1966.
 
February 1962:  Edmonds (DE-406) and Walton (DE-361) replaced US minesweepers patrolling along 17th parallel.
 
8 February 1962:  MACV established, with naval contingent on staff.
 
19 February 1962:  CNO authorized the formation of 10 Seabee Technical Assistant Teams (STATs), 2 teams embarked for Vietnam.  SEALS and STATS are part of Navy's counterinsurgency program.
 
15 April 1962:  Aircraft from Hancock (CVA-19) provided distant cover while 24 UH-34D Seashorses of HMM-362 flew from Princeton (LPH-5) to Soc Trang, South Vietnam.
 
May 1962:  JFK orders Hancock carrier group and Bennington submarine hunter killer group to a position off Danang following tensions in Laos.
 
1 July 1962:  Navy activated Headquarters Support Activity, Saigon.  Provided administrative and logistical services to all U.S. forces in Vietnam and distributed military supplies to the Vietnamese.
 
19 July 1962:  Navy's major schools provided orientation courses in military, economic, political, social, and psychological aspects of communist revolutionary warfare.
 
1963
 
24 April 1963:  600 Naval officers and enlisted serving throughout SV.
 
 
1964
 
February 1964:  Operation 34A launched.
 
1 May 1964:  Viet Cong mined USNS Card, manned by MSTS, alongside a pier at Saigon.
 
19 May 1964:  First 7th Fleet flights from Yankee Station, reconnaissance over Laos.
 
2-4 August 1964:  Gulf of Tonkin Incidents
 
5 August 1964:  Constellation and Ticonderoga aircraft bomb NV patrol boat bases and oil depots in retaliation for Tonkin, Operation Pierce Arrow.  28 enemy boats destroyed.  LT(jg) Everett Alvarez, Jr.'s A-4 shot down, he becomes the first naval aviator POW—held for 8.5 years.  LT (jg.) Richard C. Sather, A-1 Skyraider, becomes first naval aviator to die in the conflict.
 
31 December 1964:  More than 1,100 Naval personnel in SV, with 600 at HQ Support Activity, Saigon
 
 
1965
 
6 February 1965:  VC attack Pleiku Air Base.  TF 77 moved into position for retaliatory strikes.
 
7 February 1965:  49 planes from Coral Sea, Hancock, and Ranger bomb NV barracks and staging area near Dong Hoi (Operation Flaming Dart I).  LBJ ordered Marines antiaircraft missile battalion to Danang.
 
10-11 February 1965:  Over 100 planes from Ranger, Coral Sea, and Hancock strike NV barracks and staging areas at Cahn Hoa (Flaming Dart II).
 
16 February 1965:  North Vietnamese steel-hulled trawler was located at Vung Ro Bay in central Vietnam filled with arms and ammunition.  This was evidence that large scale resupply operations by sea were to secret ports in South Vietnam were taking place and that a counter was needed. 
 
2 March 1965:  Operation Rolling Thunder kicks off
 
8 March 1965:  First amphibious landing of conflict, 3,500 Marines go ashore at Danang.
 
15 March 1965:  7th Fleet initiates Operation Market Time.  USN launches first non-retaliatory strike of war, pilots from Ranger and Hancock hit ammo depot at Phu Qui.
 
15 April 1965:  Coral Sea and Midway planes conduct for USN strike against Viet Cong targets in SV.
 
16 May 1965:  Destroyer Henry W. Tucker (DD-875) fired first naval gunfire support mission since Korean War against VC positions near Thang Hai.
 
20 May 1965:  Oriskany, first carrier to operation from Dixie Station arrived of South Vietnam.
 
2 June 1965:  Canberra (CA-70) became first U.S. ship to fire 8 inch guns in combat since 1953.
 
20 June 1965:  Communist MIG-17s attacked 4 Navy Skyraiders from Midway.  A Skyraider shot down one of the MIG-17s.
 
2 July 1965:  A-6A Intruder arrived.
 
30 July 1965:  Chief, Naval Advisory Group, Vietnam assumed command of Market Time from 7th Fleet.
 
18 August 1965:  Operation Starlite, first large scale amphibious assault, 7th Fleet ships land Marines south of Chu Lai.
 
15 October 1965:  Naval Support Activity, Danang Activated.
 
2 December 1965:  Enterprise launched 118 air sorties, marking the first time a nuclear-powered ship engaged in combat.  Throughout the year, 2 carriers operated from Dixie, 3 from Yankee.  TF 77 launched over 65,000 sorties.  Naval gunfire support ships fired more than 86,000 rounds in support of ground forces.  More than 8,000 Navy and Coast Guardsmen in country, 24,000 Navy personnel operating in ships off the coast.
 
1966
 
15 March 1966:  River Squadron Five stood up to administer Game Warden Units.
 
1 April 1966:  U.S. Naval Force, Vietnam established.
 
15 May 1966:  NSA Saigon established to support Market Time and Game Warden.
 
6 August 1966:  Carrier strikes into SV stopped, Dixie disestablished, its carrier shifted to Yankee.
 
30 August 1966:  Navy helicopter pilots flying UH-1B Seawolves began support Game Warden.
 
1 September 1966:  River Assault Flotilla One commissioned, will become the naval component of the Mobile Riverine Force (TF 117).
 
25 October 1966:  TF 77 initiated Operation Sea Dragon to interdict NV craft above the 17th parallel.
 
26 October 1966:  Oriskany fire, 44 killed.
 
31 October 1966:  65 VC rivercraft sunk in three hour engagement of Game Warden PBRs lead by BM James Williams, he is awarded MOH.
 
23 December 1966:  O'Brien (DD-725) became first USN ship to take direct hit from Vietnamese shore batteries, 2 Sailors killed, 4 wounded.  Part of Operation Sea Dragon.
 
31 December 1966:  Over 23,500 Navy and Coastguardsmen in country.  36,000 Navy personnel manned 55 7th Fleet ships in Vietnamese Waters.
 
 
 
1967
 
7 January 1967:  First units of Mobile Riverine Force arrive at Vung Tau.  Began operations by February.
 
February 1967:  Sea Dragon forces authorized to operate as far north as 20th parallel.
 
24 April 1967:  USN and USAF planes conduct first strike against jet airfields in NV.
 
29 April 1967:  Ponchatoula completed 8 month deployment in which it set record of 464 UNREPS.
 
May 1967:  Bon Homme Richard (CVA-31) aircraft penetrate defenses of Hanoi and knock out electrical power plant.
 
18 May 1967:  11 Sea Dragon Ships joined other ships near DMZ for amphibious landing, Operation Beau Charger.  The gunfire support provided was the greatest concentration of naval gunfire since the Korean War.  While successful, the realization of the need for fire to reach further inland launched first steps into re-commissioning of New Jersey.  DOD announced plans to re-commission her 1 August.
 
29 July 1967:  Forrestal fire, 135 killed.
 
August 1967:  Oriskany pilots shut down the Hanoi thermal power plant.  Naval aviators dropped the center span opf the Lan Son rail and highway bridge, 8 miles from the Chinese border, and attacked the naval base at Van Hoa.
 
15 August 1967:  ADM James Russell (Ret.) convened the first meeting of the Aircraft Safety Review Panel to examine the actual and potential sources of fire and explosions on carriers.
 
29 August 1967:  Dupont (DD-941, 1 Sailor killed and 40 wounded when NV shell struck ship.
 
September 1967:  Previously off limits areas in the port of Haiphong, Hon Gai, and Cam Pha were hit by attack squadrons from Constellation, Oriskany, Coral Sea, and Intrepid.
 
4 September 1967:  USN carrier planes began systematic destruction of all bridges leading out of Haiphong.  The bulk of the weapons used in air operations were Navy developed—Zuni, Bullpup, Sidewinder, Stardard ARM, and Walleye.
 
4 September 1967:  Chaplain Vincent Capodanno was killed tending Marines in I Corp, first chaplain to earn MOH in Vietnam.
 
4 September 1967:  First traffic crossed Liberty Bridge, south of Danang, longest in Vietnam, constructed by Seabees of Mobile Construction Battalion Four.
 
25 September:  1 Sailor killed by NV fire on USS Mansfield (DD-728) near DMZ
 
25 October 1967:  First year of Sea Dragon patrols ends, they destroyed over 2,000 logistic craft.
 
26 October 1967:  John McCain shot down over Hanoi
 
4 December 1967:  Navy's newest attack aircraft A-7A Corsair II flew first combat mission over NV.
 
31 December 1967:  Market Time and Game Warden Units detected 1,700,000 craft and inspected 1,200,000 throughout the year.  32,000 Navy and Coastguardsmen in country.  36,000 Navy personnel manning 7th Fleet ships in Vietnamese waters.  77,000 combat and support sorties flown.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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